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Profile IM protocol names repeated, diff. icons
May 31st, 2009 at 8:47pm
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Three issues, all cosmetic:

1) When viewing a profile page, next to some of the IM options, the IM protocol name is repeated next to the icon even though it's already to the left of the icon.  For example, in the attached screenshot 1, the protocols "MSN," "Skypve/VoIP," "Google Talk," and "Facebook" are repeated next to their icons; AIM and YIM do not repeat.

Any such repetitions are, IMHO, unnecessary because the protocol name is already given on the left; there is no need to repeat it on the right.

2) The icons used for some of the protocols are not the same on the Profile page as they are on their respective buttons (shown under each post when viewing topics).  Comparing the icons under screenshots 1 and 2, you'll note that Skype, YIM, and ICQ's icons all differ.

For consistency, I think the same icons should be used both in the buttons and on the Profile page... IMHO, the icons on the buttons are the "better" ones.

3) In the topic summaries, the layout of the buttons (see screenshot 2) is not intuitive; in particular, the AIM button comes after the YIM button, even though in the profile it shows up first.  The ordering of the buttons and the listing in the profile should be the same for consistency, IMHO.
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Reply #1 - May 31st, 2009 at 9:11pm
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Not really bugs - but i agree on the consistensy part.

2) The ICQ icon is not a yabb icon - it's the actual icq status icon from icq.com
  
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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2009 at 11:09pm
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Not really bugs

No, but there's no forum for "things that are inconsistent but aren't really bugs," so this was the closest place for them.

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The ICQ icon is not a yabb icon - it's the actual icq status icon from icq.com

The same thing appears to be true for YIM, though not for Skype.  Are these dynamically-generated to reflect whether the person is actually online, then?  In that case, I can see keeping the icons for YIM and ICQ the way they are, though it's still a bit confusing, IMHO.  Skype should still be fixed, though, since that is a YaBB icon.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 1st, 2009 at 7:34am
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Another minor and cosmetic inconsistency:

The AIM and ICQ links include the icons (i.e. the icons are within the <a href> tag), while the other protocols link only the text.  It should be one way or the other, not mixed, IMHO.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 6:30am
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Fixed. Only point 2 from first post missing. Maybe someone (Jet Li?) can make new icons!?!
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Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 4:05pm
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deti wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 6:30am:
Only point 2 from first post missing. Maybe someone (Jet Li?) can make new icons!?!

Or how do you think about replacing the images in the Profile by those from the post/im? And I also think, the names behind all icons but YIM and ICQ can be removed too, because they are the same as the displayname and have no function.
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 4:21pm
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YIM and ICQ are the indicator. Should we really replace with normal icon?

  

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Reply #7 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 4:28pm
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Indicator??? I can't see any code in YaBB that changes this image automatically.
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Reply #8 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 4:45pm
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hm, If I go online, its change. ICQ I have no tested, only YIM.
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 6:35pm
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deti wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 4:05pm:
the names behind all icons but YIM and ICQ can be removed too, because they are the same as the displayname and have no function.

Why are they the same?  Each service has its own screenname... those are what should be displayed there.  We shouldn't be using the YaBB Display Name, but rather the username entered for each service.

Jet Li wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 4:21pm:
Should we really replace with normal icon?

It was unclear to me that those icons were status indicators, although I get it now.  If you keep them as status indicators, I think that should be made very clear, but is otherwise OK.  But, if you want to maintain consistency, I'd just make them static icons.  It works either way, but status icons need documentation and an indicator of what they are.
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 9:02pm
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I think a user can figure out that a green ONLINE and colored smiley means the user is online on that particular service.  What says they all have to be the same when you have some services providing a status indicator and some not?  Seems like you'd want to take advantage of available features like that if they are available, and if not, make due with a static icon.

  

 
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Reply #11 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 9:21pm
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OH Eng wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 9:02pm:
I think a user can figure out that a green ONLINE and colored smiley means the user is online on that particular service.

There is no green ONLINE; that was something that Jet Li put in just for illustrative purposes.  It does not show up in the forum... only the smiley changes.

Clearly, I had trouble figuring out that those icons were status indicators... maybe I'm just dumb, but I'm probably not the only one.  As I said, I'm fine with keeping them status indicators, but I think they should be more clear as such.  If there were a big green ONLINE next to them, that would make it entirely clear and I'd have no problem.  With the current method, the only indication of status is that the icon changes, so IMHO it can be quite unclear to users (at least to those users as dumb as I am) that it is an online/offline status indicator.
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 10:38pm
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Well I thought that is what you wanted.. a big green ONLINE so users would know what it means, plus some kind of documentation.

To me, this is such a tiny detail it's not worth hashing about.  If you think it ought to change why don't you simply submit what you think it should do, either code, icons, or docs, and let it be evaluated?

  

 
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Reply #13 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 10:57pm
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OH Eng wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 10:38pm:
Well I thought that is what you wanted.. a big green ONLINE so users would know what it means, plus some kind of documentation.

Oh, no, I think either one would be fine. Smiley

OH Eng wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 10:38pm:
If you think it ought to change why don't you simply submit what you think it should do

Personally, I think all the protocol icons should be static (the same icons as used in the buttons), and then for those services that provide an online/offline indicator, a second icon should be added after the username to indicate on/off.  In other words:

<protocol name>: <static icon> <screenname> [onlinestatus]

See the post below for what I think are good onlinestatus icons.

Doing it the above way would also add a potential feature: allow users to hide their online/offline status while still displaying their usernames.  Some users may wish to provide their IM contact info but NOT to divulge whether they're online or not... by allowing the status indicators to be hidden via a user profile pref, we can accommodate that.

Yes, it's a minor cosmetic issue.  No, I don't think it should be (or become) a big deal.  It was still worth reporting.
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Reply #14 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 11:10pm
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BTW, it appears that most of the major IM protocols offer online/offline status indicators.  Yahoo, ICQ, and Skype offer more detailed buttons that actually say "online" or "offline," so are more instructive than just the icons...

Yahoo: <img src=\"http://opi.yahoo.com/online?u=" + ScreenName  +"&m=g&t=0\" border=\"0\">" (this is what YaBB currently uses)

Or, I like this one better: <img src=\"http://presence.msg.yahoo.com/online?u=" + ScreenName + "&m=g&t=2&l=us\">

AIM: <img src=\"http://big.oscar.aol.com/"+ ScreenName +"?on_url=http://www.aim.com/remote/gr/MNB_online.gif&off_url=http://www.aim.com/remote/gr/MNB_offline.gif\" style=\"border: none;\" alt=\"My status\" />"
(Here, the on_url and off_url could be local images instead of from aim.com, so you can make them say "online" or "offline" easily.  There are plenty of custom icons already available; I kind of like some of the ones from this page: http://www.seekcodes.com/myspace-aim-status-code.php)

ICQ: <img src=\"http://web.icq.com/whitepages/online?icq=" + ScreenName  +"&img=26\" />" (currently in use)

Or, I like these better:
<img src=\"http://status.icq.com/online.gif?icq=" + ScreenName + "&img=21\"> or <img src=\"http://status.icq.com/online.gif?icq=" + ScreenName + "&img=7\">

Skype: <img src=\"http://mystatus.skype.com/smallicon/" + ScreenName + "border=\"1\" />"

(Or I like this one better:
<img src=\"http://mystatus.skype.com/smallclassic/" + ScreenName + "border=\"1\" />"

I couldn't find one for MSN but there are external services (e.g. www.imwrapper.com) that return online/offline status indicators for MSN.  There's also one for Google Talk but it's horribly complicated.  Nothing for MySpace or Facebook.
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