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Reply #15 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 11:12am
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Thanks again for the reassurance, I hope that YaBB and I have a long, happy relationship, as I have experienced up to now Cheesy
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 8:52pm
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Wow i like your thoughts on these matters though im not replying to all of them, i do think that the license for the file is needed, because i mean what difference does it really make?

If i were going into detail i would make a page that redirects to another folder which then in turn goes to my forum. For example in cpanel you can do this easily via redirects under the domains section i think Cheesy.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 5:04pm
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Well, I do not have an opinion on removing or retaining the fee, but maybe the following perspective will help.
I know that many designers, and more importantly site operators do not like to keep standard names of scripts.  The reason for changing the name of a cgi/script is to not allow robots to easily find the script.  Why?  Well, two reasons at the very least.  One, robots look for well know script names to abuse (may it be spam, or other forms).  Two, if a bug is in the script, then this will prevent an abuser from locating a buggy script easily, and allow the operator time to take care of the bug issue.
With that said, allowing the changing of script names at will would be more appealing, and this would mean more people making use of yabb.  
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 15th, 2010 at 9:56am
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Corey Chapman wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 4:25pm:
Honestly, I don't expect many if any people to purchase the file renaming new license option.  If they do, then hey it's less out of my pocket to support YaBB.


One cannot release something under the GNU/GPL and then add stipulations to it to suit their own purpose.?

The GPL is the GPL and if you don't agree with it, then by all means write your own license and stop using the name/phrase "GPL" with YaBB etc. Which of course would have you dropped from the likes of Sourceforge and/or any other dedicated GPL promotional sites.

As for possibly going to a different licence to suit the new flavour of the month/year - One cannot make that retrospective to include previous versions of YaBB in any way whatsoever as it applies ONLY from the time it is announced. This protects ANY previous versions of YaBB from being "Taken Over" by Commercialisation in any shape or form, and does not grant them the right to stop the GPL versions from being further developed under the GPL by anyone who wishes too.  Cool

Reality Bites:

Anyone under the GPL can rewrite and or upgrade YaBB and release it as something else, providing they retain all copyright's and credits where due, and have at least the minimum "Based on YaBB" in public view.

The GPL only asks that people respect other peoples work and effort by leaving credits and copyright's intact, adding one's own changes to scripts etc to not reflect possible problems back to the original author - - - - No One has to ask to change anything - No One has to pay to change anything if they don't want too - That's what the GPL is Really all about.

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Reply #19 - Oct 15th, 2010 at 2:40pm
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And that is why YaBB is not and has never been GPL Wink

It is a modified version of the GPL called the YaBB Public License - YPL.
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 15th, 2010 at 8:42pm
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I don't know why I assumed that YaBB was anything other than GPL - But it probably helps to explain why it's lacking in support.

Like a lot of others, I only give my time freely in support of GPL projects - Which as you've made clear, YaBB isn't.

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So I'm out of here!

  

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Reply #21 - Oct 15th, 2010 at 9:59pm
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At least it's a good thing you did not waste too much of your time on this project. Millions of users are all the support we need. Too bad we can't live up to your standards. Anyway, have a nice life Lopa  Smiley
  
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Reply #22 - Oct 16th, 2010 at 6:07am
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It's almost identical to the GPL but modified ever so slightly to better fit the project. A lot of free open source projects do this because the standard GPL is sometimes too general.  You can basically call it GPL though.  The premise is still the same, and honestly does the license really matter?

If you read the license you would know this.  YaBB can be modified by anyone and used for their own purpose.  They cannot "sell" it unless they add value to the software in its current form.  They just have to leave copyrights in plain sight where due.  That's all we've ever asked, and that's what GPL asks.  YaBB has been completely ripped off in violation of GPL (take E-Blah's original source code and "new" features later on or YaBB SE aka SMF's original templates and graphics).  

This whole discussion of paying to change the filename is a new one.  YaBB never had this until August of this year when users just like you suggested it.  Nobody has purchased it to date.  The "commercial" license to remove all copyrights and credits used to be purchased a couple times a year, but it has not been purchased in a long time.

In the end... still free.  Still open source.  What's your issue?
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Reply #23 - Oct 16th, 2010 at 6:56am
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Corey Chapman wrote on Oct 16th, 2010 at 6:07am:
In the end... still free.  Still open source.  What's your issue?


None - None and None!  Grin

I did read it just to be sure that there wasn't too much overemphasis on what was being proposed here.

Yeah! It's ok - Preamble is good - Then a few contradictions after that - but all in all much the same as the GPL "Unmodified"  Tongue

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YaBB has been completely ripped off in violation of GPL (take E-Blah's original source code and "new" features later on or YaBB SE aka SMF's original templates and graphics).


I think we all know that - Next week eBlah will no doubt have a "Variable" driven template system all created by the holy one himself.  Cheesy

But to me the GPL is the GPL - No fights, no arguments about who can or can't do what with what, and that's the way I like it.

You're entitled to charge for copyright removal as the founder of the script, but anything after that is in a pretty grey area.  Wink
  

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Reply #24 - Nov 13th, 2010 at 4:40am
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Zoro wrote on Aug 25th, 2010 at 6:50am:
We agree.  As you noted, the new homepage has the community forums link on the left side of the header on the new logo.  The right side where the image of the 5 YaBB forum examples appears, links back to the root homepage.  Thus, I clicked on that image twice believing it will display the forums, then noticed I'm at the same place.  The link should also go to the community forums.


In addition to the YaBB logo containing a link to this showcase forum,  please adjust the right side of the top header to also link to the community forum.  Currently, the beautiful image of the various forum styles links back to the root website, rather than the actual forum as the image implies.  Frankly, I clicked on them several times before I had to begin "searching and wandering" for the direct link to the main page of the forum.

Also, the orange color for the logo is great, but the forum text is excruciating on the eyes.  Please.
  

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Reply #25 - Nov 13th, 2010 at 10:20am
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Zoro wrote on Nov 13th, 2010 at 4:40am:
but the forum text is excruciating on the eyes.  Please.

Again. Its only on this forum. Not the YaBB Beta Package.

http://www.yabbforum.com/community/YaBB.pl?num=1286033749/19#19
  

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Reply #26 - Nov 17th, 2010 at 9:42pm
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Jet Li wrote on Nov 13th, 2010 at 10:20am:
Again. Its only on this forum. Not the YaBB Beta Package.
http://www.yabbforum.com/community/YaBB.pl?num=1286033749/19#19

Thank you for your message.  Yes, I realize this orange text appears on this forum.  However, this is The Forum Showcase which administrators view when deciding the selection of forum software for their website.  Administrators should not suffer with this excruciating orange text and perhaps decide the forum is not visually appealing to them and opt to choose some other software.

Please help us and yourselves, and change it.  
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Reply #27 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 12:58am
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Zoro wrote on Nov 17th, 2010 at 9:42pm:
Please help us and yourselves, and change it.   


How about looking at the screenshot of any released version to know what your forum could look like with a specific version.  As with any YaBB forum, it can be redesigned by each admin and even completely changed with a new template from the BoardMod.org site.
  We have always run the Next YaBB version Beta here first before releasing it to public, for testing, viewing and comment, Thank you for that.  The orange text is a matter of free choice ?  Something against that ?
  
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Reply #28 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 8:00pm
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Zoro wrote on Nov 17th, 2010 at 9:42pm:
Please help us and yourselves, and change it.  


How about looking at the screenshot of any released version to know what your forum could look like with a specific version.  As with any YaBB forum, it can be redesigned by each admin and even completely changed with a new template from the BoardMod.org site.
 We have always run the Next YaBB version Beta here first before releasing it to public, for testing, viewing and comment, Thank you for that.  The orange text is a matter of free choice ?  Something against that ?

I think I see Zoro's point - this is the showcase forum for YaBB.  We all know that it can be changed, and the Orange is not the standard, but potential new YaBBers will come here first, and first impressions last.


Comments meant to be nothing more than a constructive point of view Smiley
  
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Reply #29 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 8:59pm
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Actually, I agree the link and text colors/sizes here aren't great.  I've known that since I put up the new site over the summer.  I haven't had a great deal of time to spend on it, but I've run into a road block getting the CSS to behave due to using 2 stylesheets with classes named the same.  Short of changing how that's done, the CSS sheet for the forum needs to be changed to combat it so the site one can be left alone.

If someone wants to tackle that for me, please do.
  

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