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Re: Does YaBB have a future?
Reply #60 - Nov 5th, 2012 at 12:22am
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Elfen wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 3:42pm:
Q: Other than YaBB and e-Blab, how many other perl based forums are there?

you can have a look at this list http://www.hotscripts.com/category/scripts/cgi-perl/scripts-programs/discussion-...
  

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Reply #61 - Jun 2nd, 2014 at 3:38am
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Dead post, almost 2 years since last activity, and YABB is still here!  Its nice to be back after a 4 year absence and find YABB still around. I've got 2.6.0 up on my Win 2008 server with only a few problems with Perl and permissions. YABB installed flawlessly. I see some of the MOD writers have left, and I too am sad to see them go. I really enjoyed the options and variety they provided to YABB. Now, lets see what the future has to bring to YABB!
  

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Reply #62 - Jun 2nd, 2014 at 6:32am
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Glad to have you back with us.  Smiley
  

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Reply #63 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 12:17am
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What happened to Boardmod.org?  I was looking forward to making some mods to help personalize the forum.
  

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Reply #64 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 3:32am
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Hello

JonB wrote on May 14th, 2014 at 1:28pm:
THe next project will be resuscitating Boardmod. We have a plan for that as well.

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Reply #65 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 3:50pm
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To Explain a bit on BoardMod.com

BaordMod used a completely different code base that included MySQL calls to a database we don't have a backup of. I was not an administrator in htat domain.  We are going to see if we can 'kludge-fit' the messages/topics/memebers etc. We DO have all the mods, we don't have a way to instantly bring it back to life.  I 'believe' that the mods on BoardMod only go up to YaBB 2.4.

In the interim, you should proabably check out Carsten Dalgaard's YaBB Mod Forum.  Many of the current mod writers are working over there.

http://www.carsten-dalgaard.dk/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl

Good Luck & thanks for your interest.

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Reply #66 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 5:14pm
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There were 2.5 mods in there - I know, Derek Barnstorm wrote a LOT of them.
  

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Reply #67 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 5:21pm
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OK, thanks for that clarification Dandello

As soon as we get 2.6 out, I will switch mode to see what can be done about BoardMod. I don't have access to their Domain/DNS either, BTW.

thanks
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Reply #68 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 7:03pm
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Would it be considered unethical if the mods resided here?

At least until Boardmod.org is back up?
  
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Reply #69 - Jun 5th, 2014 at 11:10pm
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I cant code, but I do have a server if you need someplace to host the files, even if temporarily. FTP server as well.

I left off at 2.4, had 3 forums running on my server at the same time. Good old days. Good to see some of the familiar names around still.
  

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Reply #70 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:09am
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@ Red and RonS

I am going to address the 'legality/ethics' issue directly with the owner of the domain. At the moment, I have been entrusted by the previous host (Loony Pandora) of both systems with the 'guardianship' of the files/backups. BoardMod is definitely on the 'to-do' list. The reality is, it will probably need repairs, even if we can get a database to work. BoardMod hadn't really been revised/updated/reorganized in many years.

Thanks for your support and generous offer. LOL, we will be passing the hat soon for some things we need.á I want to get YaBB 2.6 out, and it is all that Dandello and I can do to move that forward right now.á Once it is out, I will feel we (the YaBB Team) have met a milestone we were obliged to fulfill.á Then I can put our mutual hands out and ask our supporters for some tokens of love and appreciation.á Winká I never went to ask my mom for things/liberties if my chores were not done.

Thanks again
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I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Reply #71 - Sep 21st, 2014 at 6:01pm
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Red Barchetta wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 4:12pm:
I have been here, or was here back in the mid to late 2000's ...

You must have been one of the first group of people who joined this forum back in 2000 since, evidently, the forum began its operations on June 1, 2000. I learned about YaBB sometime in 2002 when I first joined this forum on June 2nd of that year, although I didn't actually participate online until quite a bit later.

Coincidentally, both Dandello and Jon appear to have become members back in 2008.

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Red Barchetta wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 7:37pm:
My Date Registered: Jan 27th, 2006 at 9:53pm

So I joined before both JonB and Dandello.


Simply for the record ...

Unfortunately for some reason, given that YaBB is supposed to be an open source project despite the fact that it's always operated as a private entity, posts were routinely deleted rather than archived, so an accurate full history of this support forum's activities have been lost forever.

I don't know if posts continue to be deleted as a matter of policy, but I do know that deletions were being made as late as 2013. For a short period of time, a big part of this forum was actually privatized for some reason, although that bad action was subsequently reversed to make those privatized posts public again.

Again, given that YaBB is supposed to be operated as an open source project, I think that the deletion of posts should be a thing of the past, and that older posts should be archived instead of deleted. Had that been YaBB's policy all along, we wouldn't have lost a lot of pearls of wisdom, which in turn would have served YaBB's community at large much better.

Think of a YaBB archive as a codex of sorts, in which case archived posts could still be accessed in much the same way that the YaBB Codex can be accessed.
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Reply #72 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 3:24am
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If I can clarify, YaBB has never operated as a private entity, as several people have had full administrative rights to the servers, Sourceforge, source code, website, email, etc. over the years.  Many people have come and gone with access to those things, and few people stepped up to the plate to take them back from the few remaining bearing the workload.

Posts on this forum were not deleted for several years, but most (and in a few cases all) of the files were lost due to the forum or server being hacked a few times or the data becoming corrupt years ago.  At one point, once rebuilt, it became so large, that we had no choice but to start clearing out few year old posts every so often so the forum was not at a crawling speed due to the immense size.  During that process, a couple buggy versions of the administrative feature to do that removed too many posts or did not retain the posts in certain boards that were marked to avoid deletion (we had a single thread that was thousands of posts and lasted for several years, for example).

I am not sure what was involved with the privatization or deletion of posts as recently as last year, as I was not involved in that.  But other than the software not handling the immense size, which should be a thing of the distant past, there is not a lot of reason to delete posts other than they just may not have a lot of value being that old.
  

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Reply #73 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 7:58am
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Corey Chapman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 3:24am:
... YaBB has never operated as a private entity ...

In practice, YaBB has always operated as a private entity because simply put, yabbforum.com has never been owned by more than one person. More specifically, for a while now it's been under the ownership by proxy through "New Net Enterprises Software Development & Server Engineering" ... still showing that way as of this post.

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Corey Chapman wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 3:24am:
I am not sure what was involved with the privatization or deletion of posts as recently as last year, as I was not involved in that.

I knew from your good reputation that you couldn't have been involved in privatizing this forum in such a restrictive, and alarming way. Thankfully, that incredibly bad decision was reversed in relatively short order. Interestingly, but not surprisingly, that reversal occurred just around the time you reminded people of the following (for those who don't already know, dated September 29, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.):

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There are new team members on board, new people with SVN/website/server/forum control and access, and new activity happening with development.  I don't agree with all of the direction the forum structure, moderation, or code/template development is going as some of you don't either.  However, the best thing I can do right now is back away and let free speech, creativity, development, and ideas happen.  That should allow the project to go in whatever direction it needs to, without me to blame, and allow the team to figure out how it should work.  Once/if we get to that point, then the belt can tighten again.

So as long as you're around, I'm comforted that the belt can tighten as needed; if it's needed.

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On the note of making bad decisions, as I was told she'd get around to doing at some point, Dandello has made it clear that her forum is a private development forum, and not meant to be a forum for YaBB's community at large. As such, she won't accept truly open discourse, and she'll be as restrictive as she wants to be about it.

Bottom line: YaBB's development is an entirely private enterprise.

I will say, however, that this privatization of YaBB's otherwise open source project isn't necessarily a bad thing, although inherently, having one person control YaBB's development can potentially be very troublesome. After all, as I mentioned, open discourse in YaBB's development forum is no longer allowed.

  

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Reply #74 - Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:45pm
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Please don't confuse domain registrant as privatization (as long as the domain owner(s) keep the domain pointed to the project's official server/site).  YaBB.ru and YaBB.com were the original sites, owned by Zef Hemel.  Due to some registrar screw ups, he lost control of the domains.  He, Jeff Lewis, and I tried to fight them to no avail, as the squatters took control before the auto-renewal expiration date.  Their legal teams were of no help.  Temporarily, I hosted the site as part of the Xnull company (later XIMinc) as a subdomain, until we decided on a new domain name that would work (YaBB Forum was born).  That brief period might be the only time we started to go the direction of making it an Open Source "owned" project similar to Mozilla's direction, but we knew it wasn't right for YaBB, so it was put back out on its own.

I have paid for the 3 domains .net/org/com out of my own personal pocket for the last 13 years.  Someone has to bear the financial load.  I pointed the domain to various hosts (my company for several years, for which I offered free hosting for the project), SourceForge, other hosting companies for which I paid out of my pocket, and a few "free donation" spaces which were servers offered up by YaBB Team members, currently being Jon B's New Net server.

I am certainly concerned of the birth of yabbforumsoftware.com (for which I am not affiliated), which is not linked directly to this forum, has no informational page, and has its own "donation" feature to send money.  Unfortunately, (due to it not being privatized) I cannot speak for what is going on as of late with this website and offshoot sites.  Until the last few years, I designed and maintained the website, with occasional help from others (much more help many years ago).  It does appear as though the project has gone more underground and private as of late.  I do not even have access to the website or server myself; I'm sure if any of us in the team wanted it, Jon would offer.  During my direct-contact leadership years, I have always strived to keep everything out in the open as much as possible, and I hope you and others see that.

I am excited to see that development continues, and the software is better; that is certainly exciting and is all anyone can ask for.  Certainly, I would like to see more open development as it was in the past and a more functional site... but again that takes volunteers and time.
  

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