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Reply #9 - Jan 23rd, 2012 at 10:17pm
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You want a wicked fast YaBB System? Really Wicked? Faster than Google search responses? Really?

Of course, its like a high performance vehicle, which requires constant attention to it!

A Solid State Drive (NOT A COMPACT FLASH OR USB STICK DRIVE, BUT A REAL $1000+ SOLID STATE DRIVE LIKE THOSE ON THE MARS ROVERS!) is your answer.

In an experiment I done in 2005 -2008 for a budding but now dead search engine company, there is no way that a typical had drive in a standard PC is going to dish out 15GB of data, get is processed and spit out results in less than a quarter of a second. ITS IMPOSSIBLE! NO WAY ITS GOING TO HAPPEN!

So How does Google does it? Solid State Drive Systems.

Now, you have to have 2 drives for this. A normal drive for your system and software. A Solid State Drive for the Web Server folders and data.

Do this, and YaBB will run so wickly fast, you wonder why no one ever thought of it before. In truth, its a secret the big companies dont want you to know.

With a Solid State Drive, you can support hundreds of users online with YaBB, keep replies and page call routines as fast if it was on a local system with 1 user on it, and the system wont crash because the had drive is overloaded.

It is not that I'm selling hard drive systems, I wish I were! But in seeing too many people saying "YaBB is too slow!, bites me on the rear end. I dont know what some of you people are doing, but I never had a slow YaBB system other than 2.1 when it had a IP recall glitch, and that was fixed very quickly here!

If you guy want more info, PM me or email me. While you're at it, please donate to the "Elfen Needs to Pay His College Loans!"
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Reply #8 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:58pm
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I am still waiting on Open Source Lab to tell me whether or not YaBB was approved to be sponsored by them.  If I don't get a response soon, I'll have to give up.  It has been almost 2 months.

As far as two of the offers from YaBB users that I have received for hosting, I have contacted them and not gotten a reply.  If someone wants to provide an offer that they will actually live up to, please PM me.  I am ready to look at more options.
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 3:54pm
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Thanks very much for that information. The forum I'm operating is smaller, and it's evidently less of a drag on resources than yours is/was, but for us at least at the size we are, YaBB 2.4 has performed quite nicely. We're on a a UNIX server with Linux, and we thankfully have a great staff who keeps the server running quite fast.

  

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Reply #6 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 3:38pm
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To answer Bill Myers comment about capacity...

YaBB performed very well up to around a certain threshold, upon where the underlying OS, Linux in my case, started to struggle badly with the shear number of files in that directory. Short of having spare RAM to get Linux to cache every YaBB file (unfeasible), it kind of cascaded.

Search was always an issue, even before this, as opening 100,000 files to search through is always going to end in tears.

Once you get to a certain point, you really do need the optimised data handling of a proper RDBMS. This is when current iterations of YaBB struggle, although YaBB is hard to beat on smaller sites -  I suspect SMF v YaBB would possibly be in YaBB's favour with, for example, only 1000 threads.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 3:31pm
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Bill Myers wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 8:20pm:
Unfortunately, this forum as it is on this server is YaBB's showcase to the world

Indeed, and I'm sure many here would have seen some of my public frustrations about the showcase site being hosted on a server that, effectively, can't run it.  I know at least 2 people with the capacity to host it, in addition to myself, have offered to, which is equally frustrating that its still here.


Grrrrr.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:23am
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Bill Myers wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 8:20pm:
Unfortunately, this forum as it is on this server is YaBB's showcase to the world.  Embarrassed

So frustrating waiting on page loads, most times I just leave as I cannot be bothered waiting.

  

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Reply #3 - Jan 19th, 2012 at 8:20pm
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The Boy wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 7:38pm:
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The lack of YaBB3 forced me to migrate to something that could handle the traffic. Reluctantly. Very reluctantly.

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Sadly, I have no YaBB sites left, but I find it heartwarming that the most suitable softwre I could find is a YaBB fork Grin

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Handling a large amount of traffic has always been my concern since one of the biggest mistakes any entrepreneur can make is not planning for success. I've seen businesses fail because they couldn't handle success that quickly overwhelmed them. Go figure.

I'm hoping that YaBB can someday become Facebook-like or Twitter-like in terms of handling a large amount of traffic. If or when this happens, I'm hoping the basic structure of YaBB can be kept intact. After all, the forum itself is nice looking, and when it's on a good server, it otherwise works pretty well; that is, as long as there aren't too many members, evidently, or a large amount of traffic.

One of the frustrating things for me is how terribly slow this particular YaBB forum operates, which is reportedly because of the limitations of the Sourceforge server. I guess this has something to do with file locking. Then again, the Sourceforge site itself seems to operate pretty fast as long as you're not using this forum.

Unfortunately, this forum as it is on this server is YaBB's showcase to the world.  Embarrassed


  

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Reply #2 - Jan 19th, 2012 at 7:38pm
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@ Bill Myers

Yes, considering the size/activity of the site, in conjunction with its architecture, I was always so impressed with how well it ran, search aside (a full search in quite periods would take about 20mins to complete on my site), being in mind its effectively hosted on a shoestring, and the wrong end of a 256kbit line.

The killer, and it is a killer, is as we got towards about 750,000 posts (so guessing about 70k topics - topics are more important measure than posts), it really did start to nosedive performancewise, as the disk subsystem (HP SMART P400 with 256Mb BBWC running a pair of disks in RAID1) just couldn't hack it any more.  This is a better, despite being last generation, disk controller setup than most hosts out there.

The lack of YaBB3 forced me to migrate to something that could handle the traffic. Reluctantly. Very reluctantly.


SMF2 gets the pages out to the clients (over same infrastructure, and on same hardware) in just over a quarter of the time.

YaBB 2 is still very worthy of consideration for new sites, esp if not expected to grow too big initially.  Its simple layout is clear and concise for users, and, in my experience, is outstandingly reliable. That last point cannot be overemphasised.


Sadly, I have no YaBB sites left, but I find it heartwarming that the most suitable softwre I could find is a YaBB fork Grin



I posted the performance graph for those with equally large/busy sites, who feel they are backed in a corner with the current YaBB software.
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 17th, 2012 at 10:26pm
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The Boy wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 9:42pm:
My site migrated from YaBB 2.5AE to SMF2 on 23rd Sep 2011.  It runs on the same virtual machine, albeit it now with 1.5Gb RAM allocated (the YaBB site had 1Gb RAM allocated).  MySQL runs on the same VM.




The site in question is a 1.2m post, 90k threads site. www.omegaowners.com

In my personal experiences with YaBB, it's always operated very fast. The exceptions weren't related to YaBB at all; just various host servers that weren't up to speed; sometimes in more ways than one such as what it's like here in this forum, but that's evidently because of problems with SourceForge (file locking problems I think); not with YaBB itself.

Of course, our YaBB 2,4 forum only has 7,379 members with 10,987 posts within 1765 topics; not even close to your numbers. Still, there are a lot of page views because the forum is fed by a very popular site that's had over 100 million hits at this point.

I previously helped the owners of a couple dozen YaBB forums, getting them started, etc., but none of them had a lot of traffic. Sadly, despite my urging to stay with YaBB, excluding those who dropped their forums altogether for reasons unrelated to YaBB's otherwise good support in my opinion, even though support for them was lacking, every one of them subsequently migrated to other forums for various reasons. Still, none of them ever had any speed problems directly related to YaBB itself.

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Jan 17th, 2012 at 9:42pm
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My site migrated from YaBB 2.5AE to SMF2 on 23rd Sep 2011.  It runs on the same virtual machine, albeit it now with 1.5Gb RAM allocated (the YaBB site had 1Gb RAM allocated).  MySQL runs on the same VM.




The site in question is a 1.2m post, 90k threads site. www.omegaowners.com
  
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