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Reply #22 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 4:29am
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I have been waiting for a new edition for some time. I've been wondering about other software but decided to stick to YaBB for the time being. Now that I see that new people are willing to make this new edition happen, I'll be patiently waiting for it. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 4:44am
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Thanks Ghengis -

A new crop of developers is being grown right now... And new designs are in the works.  Its not quite Jack and the Beanstalk yet. Just little sprouts...

Good Luck and thanks for your thoughts.

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I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Reply #20 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 2:37am
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I have two forums, and the larger one migrated to IPBoard since they wanted a mobile version. Since I've had time to compare the two, I wish we were back with YaBB. I've posted questions here and have always gotten help, not so there. There's features that YaBB has that are better then theirs. Like the polls - you can't close them.

I think I'll stop there and not go into a litany of this vs. them, but I just wanted the developers here to know that they have a great product and to keep on trying to improve it.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 14th, 2012 at 10:42am
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I'm happy to post up my quick-and-dirty shell scripts, if it helps.

Basically, its a dirty tar/gz of the entire /forum folder, leaving easy restore...  ...although due to not putting forum in mtce, the yabb maintence scripts have to be run after restore.  It also housekeeps its backups.

I use a seperate script to ftp backups elsewhere.
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 7:23pm
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JonB wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 6:27pm:
I have psuedo-coded a couple of things for YaBB backup.

Good stuff!  Smiley
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 6:27pm
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Ahhh - this is all a bit off-topic - BUT -

I have psuedo-coded a couple of things for YaBB backup.  Both will be automated and probably provide locking. I'll be coding & testing them prolly next month - these will be for the current flat-file system, and both will be somewhat system dependent, i.e. they won't work on 'low cost shared hosting' without shell/OS access. They are aimed at larger YaBB boards on dedicated or VPS servers or account with shell/chrooted access to cron.

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Reply #16 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 7:57pm
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That said, my old YaBB, backups were a tar&gzip, and that used to take just under 40m every hour. But it didn't lock anything (although restores needed all the maintenence functions run on them)
  
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Reply #15 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 7:55pm
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depablo wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 5:02pm:
MySQL ease of backup

Whilst I agree generally, mysqldump locks all tables when running. On my SMF, it takes 8m to do a mysqldump of the forum database, so thats 8m of outage every hour. Unacceptable.

My solution is a second server, MySQL replication, and mysqldump running hourly on the 2nd server.  This 2nd server also hosts my reference/test SMF, and dev SMF.
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 7:47pm
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depablo wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 7:42pm:
Keep backups and when you need to carry something out usually someone will suggest running a query.

If it fails or messes up, just drop the database and reinstall backup (all done in a couple of minutes).

Good to know. Thanks!
  

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Reply #13 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 7:42pm
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Keep backups and when you need to carry something out usually someone will suggest running a query.

If it fails or messes up, just drop the database and reinstall backup (all done in a couple of minutes).
  

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Reply #12 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 6:35pm
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From a layman's point of view, mySQL seems to be a better structure for data to reside, but I have no idea if that means it's the better way to optimize a membership database.

I guess what might make the better point as to what's best is to see what trend there is in managing membership databases. In other words, is this what the webmaster community at large is doing?

I'm personally more leery about mySQL than I am with a straight file structure, but in truth that's simply because I'm largely ignorant about how mySQL actually works. The result is that my inexperience about mySQL makes me fearful of it because I don't understand it.

I'm actually using mySQL now with another forum software ... testing it ... but I'm so old school about being able to touch and feel straight files that I wonder what I could do, or would do if a mySQL database got corrupted.

But then, I guess I'd be okay because of backups. Still. I'm behind the curve on this stuff. Undecided

  

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Reply #11 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 6:07pm
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Well, Perl can do that as well - but also I know there are newer and better ways for Perl to do those things than what's currently being used in YaBB. (However, properly updating and optimizing would require some major changes in how the data is structured.)

But with mySQL there's a program that's dedicated to just the data handling and so (I think) would be in a different processing space than the http server or Perl or php compilers. Also, simply putting the data within the constraints of the mySQL data structure requires the data to be properly configured before storage rather than 'fixing' obsolete structures on the fly as they are accessed (but not necessarily fixed in the data itself).
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 5:02pm
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MySQL ease of backup and ability to run queries for all sorts of stuff, way to go  Smiley
  

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Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 4:20pm
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I'm very familiar with Perl, less so with PHP/mySQL but I suspect that part of the load difference between SMF and YaBB on large sites has to do with splitting the functions between two programs and process areas instead of just of having just one - no matter how many children/forks/etc that can be supported.

There's also the matter of data optimization - with mySQL there is a certain level of forced optimization in that there are certain data structures it simply won't do so you have to plan for it and think about it and come up with a decent solution.

Of course, I could be wrong.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 9th, 2012 at 7:07pm
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Any cache drive needs to be big enough to hold all of the forum files, along with any other frequently accessed file. Linux's own caching does a reasonable job of this, given enough RAM. (If not enough RAM, Linux struggles to handle its resources, and invariably falls over).

On the same hardware, my SMF site loads pages in approx 0.8s, and YaBB site in approx 4s.  I think that shows, once the site gets to a certain size, flat files are not the answer.

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