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 Reply #15 - Jul 16th, 2012 at 9:21pm
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JonB wrote on Jul 16th, 2012 at 8:54pm:
What I was saying, xnoddyx, is that its quite a bit of programming (I sent Dandello the spec).  

You are right, its NOT OpenID, its Facebook's GraphAPI, but from an authentication point of view they are the same kind of 'beast' - an authentication proxy (a 3rd party is vouch-safeing a user).

There's many things to consider, including the fact you are giving FB the keys to your little domain.  While there may not be as many 'fake' FB users as there are 'fake' gmail accounts, there are still security issues.  Including getting FB 'swamped' (overwhelmed by registrations).  

Anway, at this moment, that is the very least of our concerns here. We have to get going again.
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as for "quite a bit of programming" i was compering a forums plugin for OpenID and to its facebook plugin and the OpenID seem to have more code in it than the facebook plugin did and at first i thort it was just because of difrent coders but it was same coder that writin both of them.

i dont think you will be giving FB the keys to your little domain as it will only have this when its part of a requested operation.

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Anway, at this moment, that is the very least of our concerns here. We have to get going again.

yes a more stable codebase as one of thows 2.5 errors in my server log is a bit bugging lol Dandello know what im talking about looking at them makes you go a bit Cheesy lol
its cool was on Dandello forum and fix was there  Roll Eyes what hapens when you dont check for abit lol
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 Reply #16 - Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:39pm
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Looking at the FB registration API is now on my ever-lengthening list of things to do. (As the wag has said - If I can't leave until my job on Earth is done, I'm so far behind I will never die.)

But to add this about OpenID - Perl actually has a basic OpenID module. The problem is: every major OpenID 'registrar' has their own API to make it 'easy'. And each one of those APIs has to added separately. (My own Yahoo 'easy' OpenID ID is at least 20 digits long - like I'm actually going to use that anywhere? I don't even remember where I put the file that has the address in it. So I either use my regular login/password or the Yahoo API which doesn't need the 20+long string to get in. It reads the info from a cookie on my computer - which is a whole different portability issue.)
 
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Njones wrote on Jul 16th, 2012 at 7:37pm:
... perhaps it is time to re-consider paying the people who make it happen ... I'd be happy to pay ...

Very cool! And here you go, click this link to contribute real dollars to YaBB.


Regarding the marriage of Facebook and YaBB in terms of registration and log-in info being synced up, maybe someone could advocate on YaBB's behalf for Facebook to make it possible to have a register/login with a Facebook button that will allow 1-click registration for new members on any given YaBB forum.

In other words, get one of Facebook's developers to develop such an option for YaBB.  Cheesy

On that note, it appears on this page that Facebook welcomes an open ID system. Maybe YaBB can take advantage of it.

Meanwhile, I suppose for now an admin can add a "Register Using Your Facebook Info" menu choice to their forum's menu. Clicking that link can lead them to an entry in your forum suggesting that they use their Facebook info to register for a YaBB membership.

Then politely explain to them how easy it is to register.  Wink

Tongue in cheek in terms of the year Facebook was founded, YaBB was here first! Wink


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 Reply #18 - Jul 17th, 2012 at 12:30am
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I have found out over the years that there are definately two different groups of people, those who use Facebook and those who use other media like forums.

To compensate I started a Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Camp-Oven-Cooking-In-Australia/86539734439 - for my Camp Oven Cooking Forum and while there are members of both the majority are on Facebook even though I regularly post up the link to the forum on the Facebook page. I find younger people are more inclined to use Facebook

While I am not against it, I am not sure having registration through Facebook will increase my forum membership.

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Re: register/login with Facebook on a YaBB forum?
Dandello wrote on Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:39pm:
Looking at the FB registration API is now on my ever-lengthening list of things to do. (As the wag has said - If I can't leave until my job on Earth is done, I'm so far behind I will never die.)


its not all that bad is it?  Sad

Dandello wrote on Jul 16th, 2012 at 10:39pm:
But to add this about OpenID - Perl actually has a basic OpenID module. The problem is: every major OpenID 'registrar' has their own API to make it 'easy'. And each one of those APIs has to added separately. (My own Yahoo 'easy' OpenID ID is at least 20 digits long - like I'm actually going to use that anywhere? I don't even remember where I put the file that has the address in it. So I either use my regular login/password or the Yahoo API which doesn't need the 20+long string to get in. It reads the info from a cookie on my computer - which is a whole different portability issue.)


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The problem is: every major OpenID 'registrar' has their own API to make it 'easy'. And each one of those APIs has to added separately.

dont that defeat the purpose of OpenID  to make it easy to login ?

maybe when it's time we should have a full on discussion about implementing change of all the pros and cons OpenID or facebook if it is needed ??.

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I have found out over the years that there are definately two different groups of people, those who use Facebook and those who use other media like forums.

To compensate I started a Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Camp-Oven-Cooking-In-Australia/86539734439 - for my Camp Oven Cooking Forum and while there are members of both the majority are on Facebook even though I regularly post up the link to the forum on the Facebook page. I find younger people are more inclined to use Facebook

While I am not against it, I am not sure having registration through Facebook will increase my forum membership.

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Hi Derek
i dont just find younger people are more inclined to use Facebook but also the older people 65+ do as well there are members of my family and friends family and so on when they are not on facebook its a website that they login from facebook.

to your facebook page my main forum has one as well http://www.facebook.com/almondhaf and i have the app RSS Graffiti post the forum content to the page wall and even though it don't generate any new members it does generate more traffic from facebook to my forum and as my forum is more to inform than anything else i think it makes quite a good job of that.
now off to have a we look at your page  Grin
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xnoddyx wrote on Jul 17th, 2012 at 12:32am:
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The problem is: every major OpenID 'registrar' has their own API to make it 'easy'. And each one of those APIs has to added separately.

dont that defeat the purpose of OpenID  to make it easy to login ?


It's supposedly easier for the person trying to register or log-in but certainly not easier for the programmer or admin trying to implement it without going to a commercial OpenID solution. (Yes, we are talking about a system so confusing that there's a non-Open Source commercial 3rd party solution for a process that was originally touted as easy to implement.

And like Derek, my site as a FB page as well. But generally the people who post there are the ones having spoofing problems because they're using their cellphone.
 
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Dandello wrote on Jul 17th, 2012 at 1:49am:
xnoddyx wrote on Jul 17th, 2012 at 12:32am:
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The problem is: every major OpenID 'registrar' has their own API to make it 'easy'. And each one of those APIs has to added separately.

dont that defeat the purpose of OpenID  to make it easy to login ?


It's supposedly easier for the person trying to register or log-in but certainly not easier for the programmer or admin trying to implement it without going to a commercial OpenID solution. (Yes, we are talking about a system so confusing that there's a non-Open Source commercial 3rd party solution for a process that was originally touted as easy to implement.

And like Derek, my site as a FB page as well. But generally the people who post there are the ones having spoofing problems because they're using their cellphone.

if OpenID is that much of a pain in the arse (excuse my french) do we need the headache of OpenID as the facebook option seems a lot more easier to implement for admin and user ??

as for "having spoofing problems because they're using their cellphone." did we have a chat on this ?
i have a windows 7 phone and as far is i remember i have never had a spoofing problem from it if you pm me the url of the forum thats having spoofing problems from cellphones i will test it on my one for you and prob cam it for you as well.
 
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Yes, we've chatted about this.

I have one user with this issue with their smartphone - their carrier has a lot of SFS listed IP addresses (some of which ended up in my banned list - this is how we know that banned trumps spoof.  Huh ) This same carrier seems to have a habit of randomly changing IP addresses between page loads.

At last report, this user has finally gotten a proper internet connection for their home computer so they aren't using their smartphone as their router.

I suspect there's some security setting I haven't bothered to disable that would solve this.
 
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Dandello wrote on Jul 17th, 2012 at 4:41am:
Yes, we've chatted about this.

I have one user with this issue with their smartphone - their carrier has a lot of SFS listed IP addresses (some of which ended up in my banned list - this is how we know that banned trumps spoof.  Huh ) This same carrier seems to have a habit of randomly changing IP addresses between page loads.

At last report, this user has finally gotten a proper internet connection for their home computer so they aren't using their smartphone as their router.

I suspect there's some security setting I haven't bothered to disable that would solve this.


there was this bug for 2.4 as well for ALERT!! Form Spoofing Detected coming from IP address: xxxxxxxx i just remembered it might have something to do with it
http://www.yabbforum.com/community/YaBB.pl?num=1241544758/0

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think it had to do with favourites and shortcuts page caching

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I suspect there's some security setting I haven't bothered to disable that would solve this.

if you want you can look at my forum settings.
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xnoddyx wrote on Jul 17th, 2012 at 2:36pm:
if you want you can look at my forum settings.


Thanks - I'll be rummaging around my forum code later today and see what I can find.

Now, back to our main subject.
As much as I'm not into FB, I'll take a look at the API later today or tomorrow and see how it's done. (I've had trouble with FB's API's before - last year the Like API seemed stop working at random and required getting new code from FB to get it working again - even though I hadn't changed anything on either the site or in my FB admin center.)

Another thing to look at is whether or not comments made in a forum's FB section can be directly ported over to the forum - maybe into its own thread or into an RSS feed that can read from the forum? FB can import our RSS feeds without any trouble. Maybe there's a way to do the same in reverse.
 
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Dandello wrote on Jul 17th, 2012 at 3:37pm:
xnoddyx wrote on Jul 17th, 2012 at 2:36pm:
if you want you can look at my forum settings.


Thanks - I'll be rummaging around my forum code later today and see what I can find.

Now, back to our main subject.
As much as I'm not into FB, I'll take a look at the API later today or tomorrow and see how it's done. (I've had trouble with FB's API's before - last year the Like API seemed stop working at random and required getting new code from FB to get it working again - even though I hadn't changed anything on either the site or in my FB admin center.)


ok cool if i can do anything to help let me know
Another thing to look at is whether or not comments made in a forum's FB section can be directly ported over to the forum - maybe into its own thread or into an RSS feed that can read from the forum? FB can import our RSS feeds without any trouble. Maybe there's a way to do the same in reverse.
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Like API seemed stop working at random and required getting new code from FB to get it working again

i had this but dident need new code it was just a botched facebook system update that was sorted
the code i have for a static like is " PAGE END URL " this is where the end of the page url is put
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<iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http://www.facebook.com/pages/" PAGE END URL "&amp;layout=button_count&amp;show_faces=false&amp;width=70&amp;action=like&amp;font=arial&amp;colorscheme=light&amp;height=21" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:80px; height:21px;" allowTransparency="true"></iframe> 



and the code for my dynamic likes must say getting to this was some work but have not had any probs with this code  Grin
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<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
document.write("<iframe src=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/like.php?href="+document.URL+"&layout=button_count&show_faces=false&width=80&action=like&font=verdana&colorscheme=light\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"border:none; overflow:hidden; width:80px; height:21px\" allowTransparency=\"true\"><\/iframe>");
</SCRIPT> 



and as for
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Another thing to look at is whether or not comments made in a forum's FB section can be directly ported over to the forum - maybe into its own thread or into an RSS feed that can read from the forum? FB can import our RSS feeds without any trouble. Maybe there's a way to do the same in reverse.

if you look here http://almondhaf.co.uk/ you will see i have my facebook page wall rss feed here and the url for it is http://www.facebook.com/feeds/page.php?id=142804465776669&format=rss20
to get the ID goto to the page albums and click on any album then check the url will look like
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.322164641173983.75746.142804465776669&type=3

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in theory pulling info from a facebook rss feed is just the same as when like me you get RSS Graffiti to pull the rss feed from the forum all that is needed is to pull the items head info/Item Title make this the Subject: and then make the item feed body the Message: and take the media tags and replaces it with BBC to show the  media in the post and have the forum set to check the feed at certain times when YaBB.pl is run so even when a guest or search engine visits it automates it's
but i dono how much coding this will be  Undecided

hope this helps  Smiley
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Its awesome to see  you guys working on this already, thank you!!


Next on the list of must have's- a YaBB iPhone app & Android app......  Grin Grin Grin
 
 
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Njones wrote on Jul 18th, 2012 at 8:38am:
Its awesome to see  you guys working on this already, thank you!!


Next on the list of must have's- a YaBB iPhone app & Android app......  Grin Grin Grin


Hi Njones

this isn't really working on it, it is more on seeing the Viability of it and how much work there will with it but i'm sure we will have an answer soon  Smiley
 
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And to give an update - I HATE FACEBOOK! More specifically, the Dev section.

Now that that's been vented - I took a look at the login API (Which should be related to the registration API - only different).

I've dealt with Google API's without any problem but I swear FB goes out of its way to obfuscate the instructions for anything more complicated than the 'Like' button.

BUT that said, since I know other people have gotten it to work on other software, it should be doable. But expect a lot of teeth gnashing and swearing at FB.
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Dandello wrote on Jul 18th, 2012 at 3:31pm:
And to give an update - I HATE FACEBOOK!

I find myself saying the same thing alot. As a matter of fact, I was saying it this morning when trying to change a photo for my sites page and kept getting an error. Argggg!! Smiley

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