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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #20 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 5:05pm
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I agree with both of you (Dandello & Derek) on the CSS/Tables issues.  Needs to be done but Vewy twicky, vewy, vewy twicky.
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 5:00pm
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Derek Barnstorm wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 12:48pm:
Ha ha! It can be a bit of a task, especially when you are used to working with tables. You've just got think of it differently, and not everything should be put into divisions - for example, the Board Index and Message index should be definition lists in my opinion, because that's basically what they are. And when HTML5 is standard, posts should be in the 'article' tag.


One of the goals for the future is get all the html and css out of the various scripts and into templates and stylesheets where they belong. Then it won't be such a hassle to change the look and feel of things - it will all be easily accessible without threatening to break everything.

And although the html 'purists' would say that tables should never ever be used for anything but tabular data - guess what? There's actually a lot of tabular data in YaBB.

But moving to a proper combination of divisions and tables is a bit tricky.
  

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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #18 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 4:00pm
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I agree with the apparent consensus, pop-up reply choice should be a User Control Panel option.

"I" think the discussion Derek mentioned earlier probably should be the guidance for development.

http://www.dev.yabbworld.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329421094

I am going to leave it on for now. 
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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #17 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 3:44pm
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JonB wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 4:30pm:
We have had a few complaints (mine included) about the 'pop-up' Reply mode.

I initially didn't like the pop up, but I guess I must have gotten used to it because I kind of like it now.

In any case, regarding the inability to see posts behind a reply (if the close button isn't used), it's never been a particular bother to me because of our ability to have a second window opened for referencing.

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Corey Chapman wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:21am:
I don't like "admin only" controls for something as important as that.

Generally speaking, I too dislike "admin only" controls unless they absolutely serve a specific, and necessary need.

  

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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #16 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 12:48pm
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Ha ha! It can be a bit of a task, especially when you are used to working with tables. You've just got think of it differently, and not everything should be put into divisions - for example, the Board Index and Message index should be definition lists in my opinion, because that's basically what they are. And when HTML5 is standard, posts should be in the 'article' tag.
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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #15 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 12:36pm
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Derek Barnstorm wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 12:19pm:
xnoddyx wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 12:04pm:
do you have a live demo

Not really I'm afraid, no. I'd only just started before I realized it was impossible to strip the login, register, memberlist etc. pages. It would also be far easier if everything wasn't in tables - but just having easy access to the HTML would be enough. Smiley

cool no probs lol when i have had free time i have been replacing tables with divs but sometimes it ends up looking like a bomb explodes on the page and there bits and pieces all over the places  Roll Eyes@me lol
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 12:19pm
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xnoddyx wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 12:04pm:
do you have a live demo

Not really I'm afraid, no. I'd only just started before I realized it was impossible to strip the login, register, memberlist etc. pages. It would also be far easier if everything wasn't in tables - but just having easy access to the HTML would be enough. Smiley
  
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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #13 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 12:04pm
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Corey Chapman wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:21am:
I like the pop up but I guess I am alone.

no not alone i like it but i will explain it more in detail
Corey Chapman wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:21am:
I understand the point of not being able to see the posts behind it, but that is what the close button is for.  It saves your content, so when you click reply again, it is still there.

yes this is fine but when you are making a post then have to go check that its good and not missing anything then have to go all the way to the bottom of the page to open the reply window agen then hit the close button agen to check something els then then go up the page to find what you was looking for then have to go all the way to the bottom of the page to open the reply window agen and so on but a addition of a minimize button will be nice so that way there is no up down up down lol
here is a mock up of what i was thinking

Derek Barnstorm wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:58am:
I attempted a mobile template a couple of weeks ago, but YaBB's pretty impossible to strip down until when/if all of the HTML is accessible through the template files - ideally having a new .template file for any page which is loaded, i.e. memberlist.template, register.template, loginout.template...

Cool do you have a live demo and yes there is still alot of hard coded inline style and html parts  Sad
  

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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #12 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:58am
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Corey Chapman wrote on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:38am:
As far as mobile devices are concerned, the correct fix is to have a mobile template that automatically gets loaded if the browser detected is a mobile device.  This would be a slimmed down page with less graphics, less links and tools, less features, less header, etc.  Just display the most important content and links/buttons.

I attempted a mobile template a couple of weeks ago, but YaBB's pretty impossible to strip down until when/if all of the HTML is accessible through the template files - ideally having a new .template file for any page which is loaded, i.e. memberlist.template, register.template, loginout.template...
  
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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #11 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 2:38am
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I still think the quick reply and pop up should be a user option for sure. 

As far as mobile devices are concerned, the correct fix is to have a mobile template that automatically gets loaded if the browser detected is a mobile device.  This would be a slimmed down page with less graphics, less links and tools, less features, less header, etc.  Just display the most important content and links/buttons.
  

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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #10 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:51am
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I can see it both ways - on a large screen I don't mind the popup - it does load fast and if I really need to see something that's hidden, I can open a second window.

But that's not as good an option on many mobile devices. So having the pop up as a user option - or even a platform/user option, is something we may want to look at it the future.

The other possibility that hasn't been really looked at - having a slimmed down Quick-Reply as a user option. And with slimmed down I mean clear out most of the various formatting buttons, preview, attachments - just the text box with an option to open a full reply window if the user needs it.

Just an idea.
  

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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #9 - Aug 23rd, 2012 at 1:21am
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I like the pop up but I guess I am alone.   To me, it makes YaBB more like an application, it loads quickly, it looks nice, and it keeps you from reloading the page.  The other option is to always have the quick reply box on the bottom, but to me that is a waste of bandwidth.  You load that for every topic page you go to, and you don't necessarily reply to most of those.  It also does not look very good. 

I understand the point of not being able to see the posts behind it, but that is what the close button is for.  It saves your content, so when you click reply again, it is still there.  I would vote to make it a user option - page reload for standalone post page, quick reply box, or post popup.  Those are all great options and should be case-by-case for each person and each forum depending on the type of site and their needs.  I don't like "admin only" controls for something as important as that.
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:40pm
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The pop up can be a pain on a mobile device.
  
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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:19pm
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LOL - I made that statement for the benefit of our skim-readers, who don't read through a whole topic before replying.

I'm thinking of turning pop-up reply 'off' -- unless someone gives me a good reason to leave it on.  I'll leave this for a while and see if anyone has an objection.

thanks again -

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Re: Should we 'test' this on Yabbforum.com
Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:14pm
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JonB wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:56pm:
Edited:
WHOOPS -
"here" it is an Admin Option.
Should we disable it here, as most likely any final version will not include the 'pop-up reply'???


Cheesy

I thought you already knew that - isn't that where the screenshot is from in the first post?

But, yeah, I guess so. More people seem to complain about it than like it anyway...
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