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Reply #37 - Apr 15th, 2013 at 7:16am
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xbk wrote on Apr 15th, 2013 at 2:26am:
... the "XX$capchaXX" hack has stopped them, for now.

This this anti-spam hack is actually the only anti-spam measure one needs to effectively stop spam-bots from registering. I don't even need IP banning any longer; cleaned that out a while ago.

Give it a try yourself. You'll be amazed! Smiley

If I'm remembering correctly, ggn's anti-spam hack, which was subsequently authored for YaBB by Derek Barnstorm, will be part of YaBB 2.5.4 when it gets released. As I understand it, admins will be able to edit that particular mod through the Admin Center as needed, i.e., if or when spam-bot automation defeats it just as it ended up defeating the standard CAPTCHA.

Somewhat to my surprise, in all the time I've used it, I haven't needed to change the settings to this hack.

By the way, this anti-spam option has been so effective that I've enabled guest posting. To date, not a single spam-bot has been able to post as a guest even though there are times when our forum gets over 500 attempts an hour from spam-bots to post messages (including stretches of multiple automated attempts from the just one IP address).

But on average over the last couple of months or so, including other error messages involving spam-bots, we usually only get about 500 or so errors each day.

  

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Reply #36 - Apr 15th, 2013 at 2:53am
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I find that having at least two different anti-spam systems going works well.
  

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Reply #35 - Apr 15th, 2013 at 2:26am
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Bill Myers wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 3:37pm:
Joel, congratulations on upgrading your forum! Say good-bye to spam-bots!


The default 2.5.2 continued to get spam registrations, the "XX$capchaXX" hack has stopped them, for now. I'll change the anti-spam questions if (probably when) spam registrations start coming again.

  
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Solved - Re: Banned - Up now, a look at 2.5.4
Reply #34 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 5:01pm
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Dandello wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 4:07pm:
--- news in 2.5.4 ---

I mainly have two things on the subject of upgrading to new versions of YaBB that come to mind.

One, I think it's great that you provide a working example of the newest version of YaBB with your test bed of 2.5.4. This is a huge advantage for people who want to see how it actually looks, and works.

Two, if YaBB 2.5.4 looks and works like it does with your test bed, then the YaBB community at large is going to benefit in a wonderfully satisfying way.

In a nutshell, YaBB's problem of stagnant growth is simple. Put yourself in the shoes of an everyday user, and take a fresh look at YaBB's download page versus that of popular competitors. Do a little role-playing by pretending that you don't have the knowledge you have.

If as a webmaster I want to install a forum, I'll most likely install the forum that is easiest to install. It really is that simple. When I wanted to install a forum in 2002, YaBB was clearly the choice to make. It no longer is for a variety of relatively simple reasons.

Still, YaBB has a rich history, and a longevity that deserves the kind of success that it had before.

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Re: Banned
Reply #33 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 4:07pm
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Seriously, we do read the comments and complaints people have about the complexity of upgrading and the reasons why some people won't (can't) do it and are attempting address these issues. Saving/importing the old Settings is just one of them. Getting everything out that changes the Settings file without the admin's express approval is another. (Like the ban lists.)

The bad news in 2.5.4 - we broke the old templates, absolutely none of your old templates will work. The good news, everything involved in changing the templates can be accessed through the Template editing section of the admin center - no more getting into the files in Sources to change things for your templates.

And if we could figure out a way to do the same thing for added mods, we would - but since I know that some very bright people have been trying to do that same thing in SMF and Wedge for over a year now, I don't feel so bad about not coming up with a brilliant solution for YaBB.

  

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Re: End of spam (previously "banned")
Reply #32 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 3:37pm
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Joel, congratulations on upgrading your forum! Say good-bye to spam-bots! Smiley

Dandello, if you're able to import the settings of our forums when we upgrade, that would be great! Cool

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Reply #31 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 10:07am
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You'll be pleased to know that for 2.5.4 we're trying for an 'import your old settings without trashing your new Settings file'  Grin
  

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Reply #30 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 7:22am
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Hi again,

I installed 2.5.2, and hopefully this will stop the spambots for a while. Once again, it took me a while to clear the 500 spambot registrations that had accumulated since yesterday.

Some hours later, I see I'll have to go further. Those spam bots (or meat bots) are clever and persistent!

Oh, I guess it will be necessary to write my own questions...  (Duh, no, they weren't enabled at all, nor spam fruit. I had gone through the forum security/antispam settings before copying over the old forum files, so I ended up clobbered all my changes. let's see if I do any better....)

I guess it's a credit to YaBB's popularity that we're getting targeted.

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Joel
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Reply #29 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 2:11am
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I use diffs during development and it's a wonderful tool. But I wouldn't expect the average user to be able to use them.
  

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Reply #28 - Apr 14th, 2013 at 1:27am
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Bill Myers, Dandello,

Yeah YaBB is awesome, really very easy to use. So it's amazing what we have, thanks to Corey.

I did try BoardMod a long time ago. I don't remember exactly what happened, but I could try it again.

Some years ago, I started using Git for version control for my own software development. Since then I have more or less gotten used to looking at diffs. That's a unix approach, and there are good reasons that people deploying YaBB not have to install and learn the whole unix toolbox.

I already see some evidence of YaBB at github, perhaps that is the future. For now, there are more than enough enhancements to meet my needs, they are publicly available at no cost and with friendly support. Not much more I could ask for.  Smiley

In the meantime, looks like I'll get a boost by upgrading to 2.5.2. Thanks again, you rock!
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Reply #27 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 6:43pm
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My instinct is to follow your lead because you're exactly the kind of developer who YaBB needs to keep moving forward. I don't mean to denigrate or dismiss the contributions of other people who are most certainly helping to develop YaBB, but quite frankly with all due respect to YaBB's leadership, without you at the helm, it's highly unlikely that YaBB would be moving forward in the good way that it is.

I'll even go so far as to say that you saved YaBB from its demise. Smiley

As for having a bug-fix notification system as you described it, I think that would be terrific.

You make an excellent point regarding a one-button upgrade solution for installed versions of YaBB. Giving an outside program permission to access someone else's server to make major changes in the cgi-bin makes me uncomfortable.

Perhaps at some point the upgrade solution for YaBB could be done through the BoardMod program, or something similar to it if BoardMod and YaBB isn't working comprehensively.

More specifically in my head at least since I'm skittish about upgrades, I like the idea of upgrading YaBB locally before actually implementing that upgrade onto a server for its live presentation.

Along that line for people like me who aren't nearly as adept as you are in working with YaBB, it would be kind of cool to have an undo button of sorts to reverse an upgrade if it ended up causing problems.

I kind of do that now with ready to upload backups of original files that have been changed. Roll Eyes Cheesy

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Reply #26 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 5:41pm
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I think what we may look at in the future is a bug-fix notification system through that javascript that reads which version of YaBB is being run and tells you if there's a newer version. Then admins (assuming they check their admin center regularly) will know when bug-fixes are available so they can apply them. As far as a one-button upgrade solution for installed versions of YaBB is concerned, I don't see it as being at all safe - giving an outside program permission to access someone else's server to make major changes in the cgi-bin? I know my hosting service wouldn't allow it and I would be very upset if they did.
  

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Reply #25 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 4:26pm
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Dandello wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 3:25pm:
The mods are normally designed to work with the BoardMod software.

Right, and as Michael Prager wrote about it, "There it was, the idea, the project - a program which would be able to apply modifications automatically."

So as I've mentioned before, it would be great if BoardMod and YaBB could meld together so that one-click solutions could become a standard part of YaBB.

It would be great, but that hasn't happened.

As such, for the end user like me, it doesn't matter how it happens, but one-click solutions for the automation of installation, mods, and bug fixes should be part of YaBB's future at some point.

Let's not conveniently forget that YaBB's open source project languished for years, and literally disappeared for a bit before being resurrected by Corey who once again delegated YaBB's operations to other team members.

As it stands now, only a small handful of people are working on YaBB's next version (see Dandello's test bed forum), and only one person is really at the helm. I generally see this as a good thing, but what it really means is that only one person is making the decisions about how YaBB is to be developed.

This is what happened to BoardMod, which is evidently why it still uses YaBB 2.3.1 to operate its forum.

Despite the lack of a truly comprehensive plan, at least in practice with just one person having come up with that plan (who is currently inactive), YaBB's in a better position to move forward than it has been in a very, very long time.

This is a good thing. After all, YaBB is moving forward. Smiley

  

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Reply #24 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 3:25pm
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The mods are normally designed to work with the BoardMod software.
  

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Reply #23 - Apr 13th, 2013 at 8:52am
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xbk wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 8:32am:
btw, is there a reason that the YaBB community doesn't publish mods as simple diffs?

Hi Joel. I don't know why YaBB doesn't do this, but I think they'll get up to speed at some point with this kind of logical way to update its software.

In some areas YaBB is behind the times with what's being offered by other forum software, but I still believe it's the best forum software available. In the interest of full disclosure, I've been using YaBB since June of 2002, so I'll admit that I'm biased.

In any case, I'm hopeful that YaBB will offer one-click solutions to its software at some point just as other forum software has already done.

  

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